I know that there is a latin american keyboard, but my feeling is that it is being totally replaced by the international spanish keyboard (which seems logical). In this case I would really prefer the ISO layout for that extra key …. I see a problem/opportunity here. So I would have an extra key and could easily remap the upper left key to ESC. Spanish-Guarani. But one day I ordered a mechanical keyboard with ANSI layout, it was weird at first, I kept hitting backslash instead of enter all the time, but after some time with this layout I wouldn't go back. And they never went to the moon. I live in Brazil and we have the ABNT layout over here, which is a variation on a theme based on the ISO layout. Jul 2, 2013 6:22 PM in response to Carolina Martínez Jun 20, 2013 11:10 PM in response to Carolina Martínez Below are the Spanish and ISO keyboard layouts – regular and while holding the Shift key. All in all, I think the half-ISO UHK is probably the best possible option without completely doing away with the staggered typewriter legacy (or should that be curse?). Your layout does make sense to me, although I believe that the thumb is a much more ergonomic candidate when it comes to a frequent layer switcher key. You can also use a tool like Keyboard Maestro. ), – the [Enter] key on two rows (with shorter width on the rest row) is a good decision (the alphanum key above it on US keyboard is needlessly long and inacessible, when it is used for more frequently used punctuation or asterisk). It does work :-) Sorry about that and thanks!!! Sure, ANSI is generally more comfortable for one language, but it's absolute hell for two. Double click on the “,” that you want to modify (or any other key) and you’ll see this: You’ll see a big blue keyboard representing your current Spanish-ISO map (if you brought your computer in Spain, that’s they keyboard you should use). AltGr is simply the right Alt key – it just so happens that the right Alt is labelled as AltGr on some keyboards. There's the extra ISO key next to the left Shift, and you can easily remap the upper left key to Esc. Lately, I've written about the ergonomics of the "6" key and given the vast popularity of that post, I decided to compare the ANSI and ISO keyboard layouts in the same manner from an ergonomics standpoint. Carolina Martínez, Western Spanish keyboard vs. Spanish keyboard - 2013, User profile for user: – on Japanese keyboards, the [Fn] key can be placed elsewhere (to fit the two extra mode keys), on the row of small keys for F1..F12. The only downside is that it isn't backlit... As things stand right now, if you want a Mac with a Spanish keyboard installed on it (or even a wireless keyboard) you have to buy it in Spain or at least have it delivered to a Spanish address. Eclipse), David's answer was extremely helpful! If it is your PC then you can rebind key to behave like Shift key with AutoHotkey on Windows or editing layout file on Linux. Thanks! Sorry I did not press the "Save to keyboard button"! federuttkay, Mar 25, 2013 5:33 PM in response to Carolina Martínez, Mar 27, 2013 5:08 PM in response to federuttkay, Mar 28, 2013 12:56 AM in response to Carolina Martínez, Mar 29, 2013 9:53 AM in response to Courcoul, User profile for user: External ISO keyboards treated as ANSI since MacBook Pro upgraded to macOS Sierra 10.12, UK keyboard layout \ and ` swapped even with ISO keyboard and British PC layout, Leaving away the 目 suffix for ordinal numbers. The American representatives tried to order it themselves and couldn't, so they contacted the UK, but the representatives there couldn't order it either. In any case, I would now feel more confident about ordering a new Macbook with a Spanish keyboard, although I still feel that Apple should make it clearer on their website, for example, by explaining the difference between the Western Spanish keyboard and the Spanish keyboard. I *just* found out about this project and I'm so glad I finally found a keyboard that has everything. You can visually compare the differences by signing into the US Apple site and saving an image of the WSK and then changing countries to the Spanish site and saving an image of the Spanish keyboard. Scroll down to select "Spanish - ISO" Note the keystrokes necessary to switch between languages or select "Show input menu in menu bar" to be able to select which keyboard you want to use. UK iso is the same physical shape as all the keys. its a shame in my opinion that people use iso when ansi is much better. Here is a photo of the keyboard what they call "western spanish". Enter and backslash can be exchanged in Agent our configurator which can be useful for some. Additionally, there are two variants of the Dvorak Simplified Keyboard designed for Brazilian Portuguese . Hi Tor! If you don’t like having the Keyboard Viewer up on the screen, you can print these out and tape them to your monitor. Only on my desktop I have full ANSI, but it's only to get used with that layout. Mar 27, 2013 5:08 PM in response to federuttkay So not only, the muscle memory will be broken by switching to 'ù' to '\' position, but I'd either would loose a key or need to re-adapt. 3 comments. It's basically ISO key layout with ANSI symbols layout. First of all it's not only about the enter key. On an ISO keyboard, the ˜ key is located on the row immediately above command, and slightly to the left. Para entonces, ya estaba dispuesta a pedir un teclado español inalámbrico pero hasta eso fue imposible. English symbols are marked by black lettering on the left side of keys, Arabic symbols are marked by black lettering on the right side of keys. Let's start with ANSI. Microsoft Employee and that the phone number is an I tried switching to ANSI keyboards for couple of times and for me there are few problems I'm still facing (and after couple of years trying I just use ISO and keep hoping for some keyboard(s) to buy). My current, non-uhk keyboard (I haven't bought on yet) Combines the worst of both keyboards. Yeah I know, finding keycaps is difficult but I think I will use nordic keycaps, easier to find some good quality keycaps with that printings and is the same. Paste the text below inside the file, save it and restart/logout-login to make it work. Hi Kristoffer, and thanks for your interest! (A estas horas me da exceso de sueño traducir...), Jan 24, 2013 11:45 PM in response to Courcoul And go to Keyboard Menu -> Set Keyboard Name. There's any Spanish iso layout 60 or 65% keyboard anywhere. – there should be NO MORE than 3 keys on the left side of the space bar: [Left Ctrl], [Left Win], [Left Alt]. that button, for me, is thousand time mor useful than having bigger shifts, Hi, I'm Czech and I think I haven't encountered many ISO keyboards in my life even though it is supposed to be the standard here. I can imagine that from an ergonomics point of view it's better not to have it, but the main problem I have (and I assume others as well) is that when I'm typing with ISO keyboards, even if mapping the 'ù' to the '\' would still create an issue, as I also tend to hit enter key with my annular, and so hitting the space that would be now occupied by the 'ù'. keys, these can be typed both by using AltGr or by directly pressing the key next to the left Shift). However my OS is UK English. Will take pics next time I'm close to the local store. I'm Italian, I use both ISO and ANSI layout. Also, this is the first time I hear about ABNT. The L-shaped Enter key shouldn't be required either – if you can't or don't want to retrain your muscle memory then you can simply exchange the mapping of Ž (which is labelled as "\" until we offer a Croatian layout) and the bar-shaped Enter on the UHK. How do I type a tilde in spanish keyboard? 100% Upvoted. ISO is an international standard, it does what it says on the tin. With ANSI layout in PT-PT. In macOS Sierra, you have to Ctrl+Shift+, in numeric pad to obtain a regular dot. That way my hands almost never leave home row. In response to Carolina Martínez. As a programmer, I switched to EurKey, which is just a US keyboard, but all umlauts, accented letters, and so forth from the different European langues can be accessed by pressing the ALT-key. This is from my boss' 15" rMBP, purchased this past January: Essentially the same as a coworker's 15" Early 2011 MBP (sorry for the fuzzyness, he always has a protector on): Both purchased thru an Apple dealer with academic discount. If you want to try my "customized Italian layout" here is the driver on github: https://github.com/DavideDaSerra/Italian-Programmer-Layout. In response to Carolina Martínez, Question: Courcoul, Jan 24, 2013 11:40 PM in response to Carolina Martínez, Jan 24, 2013 11:45 PM in response to Courcoul, Jan 26, 2013 10:25 AM in response to Carolina Martínez, User profile for user: We plan to create a UHK with a columnar layout in the future but not anytime soon. rev 2020.11.1.37925, The best answers are voted up and rise to the top. As in what happens when you actually need a comma? Hehe. I’m using a custom ISO-based layout where the extra key is mapped to all sorts of quotation marks, ‘’“”„“«». Enjoy your faster IP Address typing. And for I find myself searching for certain things like crazy because the bids are totally different than the markings and different than on ISO… I guess I'll just have to get used to it -.- but I really, really hate it, from the bottom of my heart I HATE it, the only upside is that it'll be easier to find new keycaps and keyboards in the future. In response to Courcoul. It doesn't even have any function because the | are present on different keys as well :P so the most of keyboards drop this key. You could get any ISO keyboard and, eventually, replace the keycaps (or just use it as 'blank' keyboard). As a result the L shaped Enter key would have been too small to be truly […]. – Shortcuts are modified in applications (press Cmd+C maps physically like Win+C on the layout, but maps to be equvalent in software as Ctrl+C) ; – as a Mac does not have a [App/Menu] key, the [Option] key can be moved to the right where you would find an [App/Menu] key on PC keyboard, so the [Left Alt] key (unused in MacOS UI), can also be kept to the left of the space bar, symetric to the [AltGr] key.
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